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TV Land Awards - comments and questions
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Sat, 25 Mar 2006 22:53:29 -0500
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Steven L....
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With war shows, it's understood that you're looking at a period piece.
Everybody knows the U.S. military didn't have MRI scans in Korea. Or
stealth bombers either.
But the big draw of the medical dramas like Ben Casey and Medical Center
and ER is they blend exciting state of the art medicine (at the time)
with drama about the patients and the doctors. That's why medical
dramas are *always* set in the present.
Nobody has ever, or will ever, do a medical drama series on TV about a
19th century hospital: "Mrs. Jones, we're going to try a brand new and
experimental procedure to try to cure you. Over in France there's this
fellow named Louis Pasteur, who claims...."
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I just saw the TV Land Awards tonight.
1) Burt Ward and Adam West did anyone think of the Powerpuff Girls
episode about the senior citizens crooks and superheroes? This though
was the reverese with Burt Ward as the fat sidekick and Adam West as
the thin superhero? Maybe its the fat but does Ward look a bit older
then West?
2) Poor Larry Hagman. I wished instead of Dallas they had honored I
Dream of Jennie. A far more timeless classic. Is Dallas even aired
anywhere? Does Hagman have alzheimers? He appeared that he may have it
since he looked so out of it.
ANIM8Rfsk...
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Jeannie is out on DVD, and they had Hagman and Eden on that horrid Martha
Stewart show making crap out of bottles. It was pretty embarrassing.
Dallas is out on DVD as well.
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Jude Cormier...
3) Why not honor Lost in Space? A true classic that in many ways still
holds up because of the characters sure cheap SFX in todays world and
science but Dr Smith and the Robot are still fantastic characters that
work well today.
ANIM8Rfsk...
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Lost in Space is out on DVD. It in no way shape or form holds up.
wdstarr...
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What, not ever Marta Kristen?
ANIM8Rfsk...
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At the time my crush was on Penny. Marta's certainly beautiful, but Judy is
annoying.
Rob Jensen...
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Penny was hot -- *and* dangerous, always getting Will and the Robot
into trouble, like at the alien go-go dancing club. Great combo --
hot and dangerous. Judy had a nice rack, but that was it. She was a
brainless Daddy's Girl.
-- Rob
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I wish TV Land would air this show.
4) Future classic? Grey's Anatomy? Why? Why does it have a better chance
at being a future classic then NCIS? Desperate Housewives? Chicago Hope?
Babylon 5 - ok a cult classic.
Shouldn't a show be off the air and in syndication for a while to
determine what is or is not a classic? I thought Chicago Hope and Picket
Fences were destined to be classics - they were not.
DH probably will be. But who knows.
There is no such thing as a future classic.
Jay Wendt...
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They are refering to shows that have the potential to become a classic. And
they honor new shows that were not around at this time last year. Desperate
Housewives I believe was honored last year. Before that was Arrested
Development, Scrubs, and Malcolm in the Middle, which was honored first.
Obveeus...
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Of these shows, only Malcolm has any shot at being a 'classic'. The rest
will be completely forgotten in a few years. Malcolm will likely be in
syndication for many years.
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Steven L....
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I don't think any of those are going to be "future classics." Why?
Because none of them is truly groundbreaking in any significant sense,
so there's nothing for a future generation to remember it by.
Each of the true classics of TV did something *novel*: I Love Lucy
pioneered the three-camera sitcom setup that most other sitcoms copied
for decades. And the chemistry of its cast wasn't equalled, let alone
surpassed, for years. Twilight Zone was the first attempt to do a
serious thoughtful adult genre show. Star Trek improved on that with a
cast of continuing characters and a standard setting. Etc. There's
nothing groundbreaking or novel about Scrubs. There have been many,
many excellent and well-written TV shows over the decades that are not
remembered today. Because they weren't truly groundbreaking for their time.
What recent shows were sufficiently groundbreaking to be remembered
20-30 years from now? I nominate:
NYPD Blue: One of the first network dramas to compete with adult
Obveeus...
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Agreed. Strong characters and writing make this show one of the few hour
longs that will survie the test of time and syndication. I'd put NYPD Blue
right alongside ER as 'classic' TV to come.
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entertainment on premium cable by including partial nudity and foul
language. Ran long enough that it will be remembered for a long time.
Survivor: The first reality TV show to combine an interesting cast with
Obveeus...
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It will be remembered by historians for launching Reality TV onto network
prominance...but it will only be remembered on the level of Real World...a
footnote on the genre. I don't think any reality TV show will have what it
takes to become 'classic' since rerun potential is VERY limited. The fact
that Survivor reruns on OLN pretty much proves that point.
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a visually spectacular locale and become a long-running hit. (Notice
that the reruns of Survivor on OLN and Survivor DVDs are popular,
showing that the show has lasting popularity) The phrase "voted off the
island" has actually entered the colloquial lexicon.
Lost: The first hit TV show to combine continuing characters, a
Obveeus...
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You are kidding, right? This show is nothing special or original.
Steven L....
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We'll just have to agree to disagree.
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standard visually spectacular setting, and a nonlinear plot, in the
magical-realism genre. (Twin Peaks tried and failed in by its 2nd season).
Obveeus...
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Xena, Conan and all those other 'superhero' shows did the same thing.
Buffy the Vamire Slayer did it too...only much better.
Steven L....
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No. Those were pure fantasy shows, with formulaic linear plots.
Magical realism is a very special subgenre of that, which you don't see
much of on TV.
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Besides, "castaway" concepts are timeless; the idea of survivors
stranded in an exotic locale and having to fend for themselves has
inspired all manner of timeless classics from Robinson Crusoe onward.
Of all possible concepts for a TV show, castaways are your best bet to
create a classic: Gilligan's Island, Survivor, Lost, etc.
Obveeus...
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Only Gilligan's Island qualifies as a classic from the above list. Lost in
Space is probably closer to 'classic' that Survivor or Lost will ever be.
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5) Where was George Wendt of Cheers? Is it me or did John Ratzenberg
(sp?) hold up fairly well in fact look rather distinguished compared to
his time on Cheers. A rare actor who seemed to look better in his later
years of life then in his prime.
Jay Wendt...
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I was wondering the same thing about George Wendt.
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6) Anyone suspect Megan Mullaly (sp?) may be trying to take Katie
Couric's place? She has hosted this show and done Christmas shows with
ANIM8Rfsk...
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Couldn't possibly be less qualified or worse at her job than Couric. I
think it's hysterical that CBS would consider her for their 'news'
department. It's like they had a meeting and said "What can we do to remove
any last lingering shred of credibility we have left?"
She has hosted this show and done Christmas shows with
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the Today Show weatherman? It won't be the first time an actor went from
a fictional show to morning news - happened with Good Morning America
and the CBS Morning News? I liked David ? when he was on GMA and
thought he was pretty good -was he the first host I think he is dead
though? The actress from the Rockford Files - stunk badly when she was
on the CBS Morning Show. I hope NBC doesn't do this - Chris Jansing is
mavman...
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Who is that?
ANIM8Rfsk...
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Mariette Hartley
She's not from The Rockford Files. She's associated with James Garner by
virtue of having done a long series of commercials with him. She later did
one guest spot on Rockford. And she has 2 belly buttons.
pv+usenet...
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Way to make a joke that five people on the planet understand. *
Clell Harmon...
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Well three of us are on this newsgroup then. I loved that
flick.
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ANIM8Rfsk...
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I believe it was Joel Hodgson who said something along the lines of, it's
not important that people laugh, but that the RIGHT people laugh.
sjgarriott...
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It's one of my all-time favorite quotes and has stuck with me for
years: "When we write our jokes, we don't ask ourselves, 'Will anyone
get this?' We say to ourselves, 'The right people will get this.'" --
Joel Hodgson
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Steven L....
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Six people: I got it. She "nursed" Dylan Hunt "back to health."
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P.S. I laughed.
ANIM8Rfsk...
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Well, there you are!
Steven L....
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No matter where you go, there you are.
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Jude Cormier...
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Referring to Mariette Hartley, perhaps? I know she and James Garner did a
very popular series of ads for Polaroid cameras, to the point people thought
they were married in real life.
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far more deserving or Alison Stewart.
jdunlop...
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David Hartman. He's still with us, I sat next to him at a basketball
Roy Knable...
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I'm not sure GMA can be consider a news show. It's infotainment,
really. Gary Collins was another actor turned host, with eight years on
Hour Magazine.
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game last year at Madison Square Garden (both rooting on our alma
mater.)
Pidge...
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With her talk show debuting this fall, I would think Megan would be pretty busy.
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Glassman...
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It's not really an awards show as much as a tongue in cheek goof on TV
sitcoms they run at night when you can't fall asleep.
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Jude Cormier...
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Megan has a syndicated talk show coming out this fall.
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