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1st Season Dr. Who - Dalek - 5 star poll - SPOILERS AHOY !
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14 Apr 2006 23:15:24 -0700
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georgeavalos...
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Still the mutant is an example of genetics science gone bad.
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4-14-06 Dr. Who
pv+usenet...
5 stars (CGI)
0-1 stars (nylon castors)
Michael Bowker...
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4.0 Good episode. Flying Daleks, Oh my!
doctor...
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You probably never say Remembrance ofthe Daleks.
Michael Bowker...
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I assume you mean saw, if so you'd be wrong. I believe the salient
feature of it was Ace with a magic baseball bat. Bay area PBS has run
all available old Dr. Who.
doctor...
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And the hovering Daleks.
Michael Bowker...
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You know I don't remember that from Rememberance. Didn't have the same
impact as this one or it was just too long ago. Ace with baseball bat
that I remember. Also Davros in the chaffing dish Dalek. But no I
don't remember hovering.
doctor...
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End of PArt 1. The Doctor is stearing at a Daleks coming right at him
elevating.
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Neil Sullivan...
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Yes, and one was seen before that in Revelation of the Daleks, but the
effect was never carried off so well as it was here.
doctor...
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Remebrance. I doubt Revelation had that.
Neil Sullivan...
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Yes it did. The dalek which killed the two 'body snatchers' was hovering.
They didn't pull off the effect very well though, so you may well have
missed it.
doctor...
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I have seen that scene upteen times, but your point is well taken.
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Gio...
powrwrap...
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4.4 out of 5. Best story so far. Only flaw was the dicey method of the
Dalek acquiring Rose's DNA.
Captain Infinity...
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I agree. The Dalek should have had another arm with a Q-Tip on the end, and
swabbed her cheek.
powrwrap...
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Didn't even need to be that intrusive. I would have accepted it if Rose
would have touched his plunger (no snickering) and it could have been
explained that the Dalek regenerated its cellular structure using DNA
from Rose's skin oil or somesuch.
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Captain Infinity
doctor...
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Revelation is mile better.
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doctor...
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edrhodes...
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I taped it, but I screwed it up and got a tape of static!
Captain Infinity...
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Watch it and let us know if Carol Ann calls out from The Other Side.
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Captain Infinity
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Andrew McCaffrey...
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Four stars.
Doctor Who as cheesy action movie, but strangely enough it works really
really well.
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Tim Bruening...
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The Doctor says that he destroyed 10 million Dalek ships in a second,
and also destroyed all the other Time Lords. I speculate that he did so
by detonating the Gallifreyan sun, perhaps by creating an antimatter
leak into the sun's core.
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shawn...
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I would go with a 4.25. It's a good story overall with a few points
that you just have to accept to enjoy the story (the Dalek absorbing
part of Rose's humanity when absorbing part of the essence that let it
heal itself.) As has been said elsewhere I believe there are still
other TimeLords out there somewhere in vast reaches of time and space,
but who knows if we will ever see them.
doctor...
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You are graciously overrating this.
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Electric Frog...
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4.5 One of the best episodes of the whole show
doctor...
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The one marginally better than AoL/WWIII
Tim Bruening...
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America On Line?
doctor...
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AoL == Aliens of London .
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kenm47...
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4.5
Still getting better. Starting to really like this Doctor, and Rose.
Ken (Brooklyn)
doctor...
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And an emotional dalek?
whodunit...
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Spoiler mentioned:
Hate is an emotion, isn't it?
And after Dalek 'merged' with Rose, that feeling was
supplanted by *her* emotions--most of which seem to
doctor...
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Enough chain reactor. We might set off 3 mile Island.
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doctor...
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I did not a crack in to dome.
Mike McKeown...
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This is even more obtuse than your usual oblique offerings Dave. Even when I
pv+usenet...
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Please don't poke holes in my killfile. *
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insert the elided "see" or "insert". Have you never heard of absorbtion?
Absorption? Osmosis? Surface analytical chromatography? (OK I made the last
one up).
Mike M
doctor...
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Still when did Daleks ever adapt Alien DNA to its protoplasm?
Jack Bohn...
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Since now.
When the Dalek let drop that the time-travel-affected properties
of the DNA was what it used to regenerate, I realized this isn't
a property of the standard Dalek, but something it MacGuyvered
into its helmet between meeting the Dok-tor and meeting Rose.
doctor...
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So we missed Mutation of the Dalek. Still it might explain Bad Wolf.
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ANIM8Rfsk...
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Your theory could explain a lot tomorrow.
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be of the positive sort...and later on in another episode, when Rose and
the TARDIS intertwine, I wonder if the Dalek, being a
time traveler as well and using that part of Rose's DNA,
recognized the TARDIS' influence on Rose as well, and was filled with
more positive emotions as a result. I am assuming TARDIS does NOT
function on hate, of course, not having seen the previous 20+ seasons of DW.
Tim Bruening...
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How and why would the TARDIS alter Rose's DNA?
Rose and the TARDIS intertwining? How kinky!
Which character was talking about the Doctor being in love with Rose?
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Carolyne in TX
doctor...
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Still, the Daleks in irrational mode being an effective warrior?
Does that make any sense?
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Captain Infinity...
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Three lollipops and a Hershey's Kiss. Minus 1 M&M for having the Dalek
fly up the stairs instead of straight towards its victims.
Sean Huxter...
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Because stairwells are built that way. The square spiralling leaves no room
doctor...
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Within the last 25 years.
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for a direct path to the target.
Tim Bruening...
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But that Dalek later rose straight up, about twice the height of a man, so
couldn't it have gone over the stairwell?
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Captain Infinity...
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They showed the entire stairwell in the shot; there was plenty of room.
All the Dalek had to do was elevate to the level of the humans and then
move directly towards them. Instead, it chose to move up the stairs. I
say boo.
satran....
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It could be that the Daleks can only elevate a few feet, just enough to get over
rough terrain or stair steps, under normal conditions. The only time I recall
seeing it elavate more than that was when it went into self-destruct mode, at
which point it was using up all its energy in one final fatal action.
Tim Bruening...
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Twice, the Dalek rose several feet without going into self-destruct mode.
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Sean Huxter...
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Look at this shot:
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/4932/doctorwho2005x06dalek5345iz.jpg
The camera sees the stairs down to the left, and by god, it looks like a lot
of open space, doesn't it?
But in reality, this is a stadium stairwell, and what you see in the upper
left is the next flight of stairs.
While the camera sees a fairly large gap, you couldn't fit a Dalek between
the rail and that over-head stairway.
Captain Infinity...
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I'll concede the point because I don't have any evidence to refute it,
but I still don't agree; looks like a lot of room to me.
Doyle...
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Nice one... concede defeat, but still manage to make it clear that you are
ABSOLUTELY NOT going to give up this pointless argument over an extremely
minor detail.
Good grief man. The entire show was one massive plot hole, in case you
hadn't noticed.
Tim Bruening...
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I've read of a classic episode (set in the 19th century) in which a bunch of
Daleks got humanized and battled normal Daleks.
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Captain Infinity...
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Plot hole? I hadn't noticed. Seems to me like everything was tied up
nicely. To what hole are you referring?
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Captain Infinity
Bruce Stewart...
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You don't understand Dalek psychology. They don't bother, because it don't
matter, they'll get you now or later, but they'll get you.
Think of a Terminator, but driven by hate.
Bruce S.
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lraszewski...
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I think the fact that the dalek can aim *up* means that there's no
advantage in doing this; it still has to follow a spiral path to get
to the top of the stairs -- and it wants to do that since otherwise,
doctor...
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IS Mike McKeown a troll PV?
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lraszewski...
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In fact, we have known since Mawdryn Undead that time travel changes a
person's biology. We have known since the Talons of Weing-Chiang that
unsuccessful time travel can damage a being genetically, and that this
damage can be fixed -- or at least held in abatement -- by absorbing
the life from others. And we have known since The Two Doctors that at
least one time-traveling race has a quality in their genetics which
allows them to not only render time travel survivable, but to confer
this survivability on others. And we have known since Evil of the
Daleks that Daleks are susceptible to "corruption" by the implantation
of a 'human factor'
What happened in Dalek could perhaps have been handled better, but it
hardly came out of nowhere. In fact, the notion that a Dalek which
'fell through time' could have been damaged by this trip in such a way
that it needed to extract some element from a time traveller to make
repairs -- and that this extraction might cause the Dalek's nature to
change in a way incompatable with Dalek-ness -- is one of the most
well-founded progressions from the series history that we've ever
seen: they took a huge mass of past continuity, put all those facts
together, and synthesized something which was new, which was
unexpected, and yet followed logically from what went before. That's
writing at its best.
Tim Bruening...
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I hereby suggest that the Doctor develop a virus (perhaps with the help of the
nanogenes seen in The Doctor Dances) which would make the Daleks benevolent.
doctor...
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Anyone recalls Resurrection of the Daleks?
Tim Bruening...
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Is that the one in which a virus killed Daleks? I was suggesting a virus to make
the Daleks nice, not kill them.
doctor...
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Just engineering the virus to humanize and not kill.
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Jack Bohn...
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Yeah, what he said!
Just don't ask how this all takes out dents in the metal casing.
Mike Morris...
Mike McKeown...
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In the episode "Dalek" Dave.
doctor...
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The ceratinly does not count for beans.
Invid Fan...
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Look, Doctor Who changes continuity and alien abilities whenever the
writers want. Someone with your screen name should know that, and those
who get too upset with it should know better then to keep watching.
Just sigh, wish it hadn't happened, and move on :)
(fans survived having Leela fly the TARDIS, they can survive this)
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Mike M
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Oh, that's obvious: it's absorbing the energy from the entire East
Coast and converting it to pure matter using advanced Block Transfer
Computations.
Come on now, make an effort ;-)
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doctor...
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Regeneration of a Dalek does not make sense.
Mr. Limpet...
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But Daleks do?
doctor...
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Yes, as kaled on genetically mad.
Captain Infinity...
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Um....what?
Mr. Limpet...
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Perhaps someone's been playing with their poetry magnets.
doctor...
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repleace on with gone.
Captain Infinity...
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What should I replace "repleace" with?
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Captain Infinity
doctor...
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LOL!! replace "repleace" with replace.
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Captain Infinity
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doctor...
it's spending the rest of time down at the bottom. Floating up to the
level of the humans then moving straight forward doesn't make it
easier to kill them, moving up is slower than moving forward, so it
doesn't make it faster, and the shortest distance to the next landing
is along the same diagonal as the stairs, so it doesn't make the trip
shorter.
The only way it wold be advantageous would be if there was a central
column in the stairwell that it could travel straight up -- and there
isn't.
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Jaime M. de Castellvi...
doctor...
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Dalek was just not adherent to Dalek norms.
Captain Infinity...
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See, this is what you get for watching all those old Doctor Who
episodes: dissatisfaction with the new ones.
I liked "Dalek". It was a good story. I'll watch it again.
doctor...
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Infection by human from weak state?
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Captain Infinity
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Aw c'mon Cap, don't you be minding the children now. Them is just all
jealous 'cause they wish they'd been smart enough to point out that
obvious bit about the Dalek and the stairs before you did.
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doctor...
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Captain Infinity
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Tim Bruening...
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Okay Mr. Dalek, blast that over-head stairway! Then fly toward your victims!
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Tim Bruening...
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Or better yet, just blast the people with its death ray!
doctor...
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Captain Infinity
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Tim Bruening...
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But that Dalek later rose streight up, about twice the hight of a man, so
coudn't it have gone over the stairwell?
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Tim Bruening...
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Or why not just blast the stairs into vapor?
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Sean.
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Captain Infinity
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doctor...
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So love Daleks that can be emotionally contaminated.
Tim Bruening...
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If Rose's DNA could have such a dramatic effect, what would the Doctor's
DNA have done to that Dalek? In one Classic episode (The Savages), the
Doctor's life force caused a cruel city leader to become benevolent and
smash the machines the city was using to harvest the life force of the
savages for the city residents.
I hereby suggest that the Doctor store up samples of DNA of Rose and
himself and spray them onto Daleks the next time he sees them.
Brian Henderson...
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By the end of the season, that's... not an issue anymore. :)
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doctor...
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Evil of the Daleks saw the Daleks in a Civil War in the end.
Tim Bruening...
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Did any humanized Daleks ever appear again?
doctor...
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Tim Bruening...
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4.5, due to the Dalek's emotionalism.
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Lizard...
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4.95
The best of the new series thus far. Allowed us to feel sorry for the
Dalek without making it any less dangerous and threatening. While I'm
not sure, this may be the first Dalek, other than Davros, who actually
had his own personality.
(Deducting .05 because, who knows, it might get better...)
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