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2nd Season Lost - Two for the Road - 5 star poll - SPOILERS AHOY !
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2 May 2006 19:06:11 -0700
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georgeavalos...
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BTR1701...
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Not since 9-11. The majority of gate screeners at the majority of
airports are TSA employees.
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GarondoMarondo...
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5 stars!!!
Ten Cuidado...
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It's the "rope-a-dope" defense.
weberm...
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SHOCKING!!!!
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Garondo Marondo!
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5-2-06 Lost
Ian J. Ball...
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Isn't this a little early? Like, a full *day* early?! ;p
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pv+usenet...
Ubiquitous...
Middlebrow...
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All it takes is one ticket with a high enough bond to make her give up her
DL and drive on the ticket. It doesn't have to be a DUI, those just have
high bonds.
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weberm...
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Three stars (and I'm feeling generous).
OK, so Ana got a job with the TSA and one day played hookey with
Jack's father and went to Sydney?
Middlebrow...
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Most movies are like that.
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cloud dreamer...
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At least I don't continually watch a show I don't like. D'oh!
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I guess we all now know who HE is too.
Umm, sonething else happened, right?
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pv+usenet...
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3.5.
Whoa, that was unexpected. Other than establishing another connection to
Jack's dad, who is fast becoming the contact all the losties share, Ana
just dumped in the middle of her storyline, and Libby even more so! Libby
*will* die, because dramatically you want Henry to be the only person who
knows what Michael did, so he has even more pressure applied to him. If
Libby lives, Michael is going to get thrown off the nearest cliff the
moment she gets a word out.
I get it that you want to make it clear that nobody is safe in a story, but
killing someone off while that story is still in progress, or maybe even
just as it's about to pay off, is quite a move to make. *
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5 stars (Frodo & Sam)
Alastor2602...
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6 Stars(ky & Hutch)
7 Stars (Chuck Norris & MacGyver)
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0-1 stars (Gollum & Smeagol)
Zombie Elvis...
Ian J. Ball...
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First 55 minutes: 2.5 (another Ana Lu epie?! Pul-eeze!!)
Next 3 minutes : 1.0 (Ana Lu wimping out (twice!) further
destroyed the character)
Final 2 minutes : 4.0 (minus >0.5 for killing Libby)
And, about that - killing Ana Lu was *total* necessity (and, FTR, I
don't buy Lindelof's & Cuse's spin on this - this is Glenn Quinn and
Mutant Enemy all over again).
David...
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Why would they drastically change the show over a DUI? It's not like
she's awaiting trial for murder.
Ian J. Ball...
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I'm changing your name to Pollyana.
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Howard U. Dewing...
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They didn't. AL was always just a one season character.
David...
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Gina...
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One word: morality clause. Okay two.
David...
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There are things people won't accept celebrities doing and DUIs fall
far short of that. If she was important to the show all the producers
had to do was hire her a driver.
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They can't seem soft on DUI...they'd have to fire her.
BTR1701...
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Baloney. Matthew Perry was wrecking cars and in and out of re-hab and
they never fired him from "Friends".
Actors get popped for crimes like this all the time without being fired.
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Jim Reid...
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She was on Regis this morning. She said she was only hired for one
season. If that's true, then the DUI has nothing to do with it.
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patty1...
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So you think they're lying?
bklyntv...
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Who's lying? Cuse & LIndelof never said Ana was not going to be written
out, they just said an actors personal life wouldn't affect their story
patty1...
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You mean, that's what they said *publicly* before yesterday's episode.
Michael Ausiello's column on TV Guide's website makes it clear that
they had always intended for Ana Lucia to be a one-season character.
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telling (which I think was BS anyway).
patty1...
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As he notes, they considered keeping AL after MR's arrest just so
that people *wouldn't* think the two events were related. But they
finally decided to stick with their original plans.
Ian J. Ball...
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Yeah, and Whedon & Fury intended to kill off Doyle all along!
Yeah! That's the ticket!! ;p
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But killing Libby was, I think, a huge mistake. Having Michael kill Ana
Lu already finishes off his character. Killing Libby was just
gratuitous.
And the Libby character had a lot of possibilities. She could have
brought something to the show (unlike Ana Lu, or Shannon).
Killing off Libby was a mistake.
Ian (And, worse - now we'll never know what she was doing in Australia,
or what was the deal with her in the asylum. Boo.)
SoHillsGuy...
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Well, being dead (if she is) wouldn't stop her from turning up in
flashbacks. I still suspect she'll turn up in a Hurley backstory again.
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Kim...
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I agree - reduced points for that in my estimation, as well.
Total Points: 4.5
.5 - for the cop cars with the numbers on top.
1 - for setting up 3 island connections off island (Ana-Lucia & Christian,
Sawyer & Ana Lucia and Christian and unknown daughter)
.5 - for the Sayer line "I guess that leaves out cuddling"
1 - for the "We were coming to get *you* Locke", spiel
1.5 - for the totally unexpected ending
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patty1...
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4.5
And I hope that Libby makes it.
I guess tonight's episode demonstrates that the Others (or the people
controlling them) have some sort of brainwashing capabilities.
Middlebrow...
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Or simply blackmail capabilities. I mean, they got his friggin' kid; they
can pretty much make him do anything.
NightRaven...
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A passport is a good and secure ID, plus, as you say, it enables
you to travel abroad. And who knows when an oppertunity to travel
comes along ? As we just saw on LOST, sometimes it happens
randomly. And just because *you* never carry your passport on
you, doesn't mean that *nobody* does. Had I been Ana-Lucia, I'd
have no problem leaving on the hour (if there were available
seats of course)
- NightRaven
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patty1...
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Yeah, coulda been that instead. I'm still leaning toward brainwashing,
though.
Beowulfie...
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I don't know, he seemed to doing it against his will, he did say sorry.
Ubiquitous...
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He's got THE DISEASE! (dun dun DUNNNN!)
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Captain Infinity...
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What's happened is that Michael has contracted the mutant KLP virus. He
has become a danger to all around him and will need to be put down,
unless the survivors or the Others can formulate the antidote.
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Captain Infinity
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Gina...
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My thought was that since the crashees killed two of the others, maybe
the others promised michael that he could get walt back if he killed
two of his own. Just a thought.
kip...
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I think his orders were just to free Henry but to make it look like he
ptwindmill...
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All I know is I wann see faux Henry's head on a stick pretty soon!
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escaped. I think he had to do it *soon* too, otherwise he would have
spent a few episodes coming up with an excuse to be left alone in the
hatch. When Ana was the only one there, I guess he figured that was
his best opportunity to do as little dirty work as possible. He didn't
*want* to kill her, but if that's what it took to get Walt back then he
was willing to do it, and it was better than killing four people. Then
Libby showed up and saw what happened, and he knew he had to kill her
to cover up what happened.
Kittyn...
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If his orders were to only free Henry, he could have done that without
killing Ana and I think he would have. He didn't seem to want to kill
Ana, hence the "I'm sorry", so I presume he would have chosen another
way to free Henry if Ana dying didn't have to be part of the bargin.
Once he got the gun, he could have just went over to the room where
Henry was being held and "let" Henry overpower him for the gun. Henry
could have then still have done the shoulder injury and then escaped
on his own. If Ana had tried to stop him, then Henry could have shot
her if needed and at least Michael wouldn't have had to be the one
shot her. This is why I think that Ana dying was the main directive
and letting Henry escape (if that is what ends up happening), was just
done to provide a coverup for the Ana murder.
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Did you notice how Henry didn't seemed to be surprised by Michael? I
wonder if they had met in the brief time between Micheal disapperaing
and Henry showing up...
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Gina...
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My thought was that since the crashees killed two of the others, maybe
the others promised michael that he could get walt back if he killed
two of his own. Just a thought.
Default User...
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Except that Libby coming in was a surprise to Michael. The "free Henry"
idea seems more likely.
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Palpie...
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Or they explained why they took Walt and that Mike's a good person too
and he changed sides of his own free will.
rwgibson13...
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Yep, like Goodwin, all that a "good" person needs to do to prove
himself is to kill a "bad" person in cold blood. Really makes me
rethink the "cult" theory that someone here was throwing around a while
back.
RWG ("good persons" "bad persons" "dead persons" :-)
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bklyntv...
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I don't know I thought it might be possible they told Michael they'd
kill walt if he didn't save Henry (although killing Ana, and most
especially Libby seemed incidental to the plan... hmmmm....)
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Jaime M. de Castellvi...
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Or not.
David Johnston...
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It's unlikely that they don't. They are after all an evil conspiracy
from Alias.
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Maybe Michael is so obsessed that he is trying to manipulate everyone
into attacking the Others.
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David B...
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4.75. Michael's a little traitor. Doin' it for his boy. Hey Walt, I got
you back...I just had to kill two people, shoot myself in the shoulder
NightRaven...
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Yes, it's a very good thing to kill people, shooting them dead
without a warning, sounds like a true filantrophist to me indeed.
John Schilling...
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If you're allowed to shoot people at all, you're generally allowed
to shoot them dead and to do it without warning. That said, most
of the "shooting people dead without warning" on the Island, has
been done by the Lostaways, not the Others.
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No matter how good intentions the other people and organisations
on the island have, the people themselves have shown themselves
as bad people on numerous occations simply because of their
actions. (And no, these can not be justified on the basis of
John Schilling...
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They have shown themselves by their actions to be the adversaries
of the Lostaways. That necessarily makes them bad people only if
the Lostaways are good people, which claim is increasingly difficult
to credit these days. It is still possible that the Lostaways are
the Good Guys and the Others are the Bad Guys. It seems rather more
likely that the Lostaways are the Bad Guys and the Others are the
Other Bad Guys, and the thesis that the Others are actually the Good
Guys, can hardly be ruled out.
Michael, possibly in service of the Others, shot Anna-Lucia with
deliberate, lethal intent and without warning, yes.
The Lostaways, captured, imprisoned, and tortured Henry Gale.
*If*, capital 'I', Henry Gale and the Others are Bad People(tm),
then maybe that's fine. If not, well, you'd have to cast your
net pretty wide to find a human society that wouldn't condone
with great enthusiasm, the deliberate use of lethal force to
rescue a Not-Bad Person who has been kidnapped and tortured
by a bunch of self-appointed vigilantes.
Michael shooting Anna-Lucia only makes him and/or the Others
Bad People(tm), if we already assume they are Bad People.
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John Schilling...
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Well, no, actually it isn't. Militant secular nationalism with
cult-of-personality dictatorship is called fascism.
But whatever. You do understand that the way the rest of the
world actually defeated the fascists and the nazis, involved a
whole lot of shooting them dead without warning, right? Are we
no better than them, and fascists and nazis just for thinking so?
Or is it that shooting them dead without warning makes us Good
People, because they were Bad People who needed to be shot dead,
whereas shooting us dead without warning makes them Bad People,
because we are Good People who ought not be shot dead?
It remains to be seen whether the Others are good people or bad
people.
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"they are better than them", because that's called fascism and
nazism)
- NightRaven
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and let Faux Henry get away. Cool, huh?
Ian J. Ball...
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For all this, the season finale better end with 1,000 Others(extras)
coming out of the hills to slaughter the Losties.
Gina...
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It would work best if they were all painted blue.
Ian J. Ball...
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And Mel Gibson was leading the charge! ;)
P.S. Gina - it looks like you're quoting software is buggy with the
attributions. You may want to look into that...
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David...
Jason Maxwell...
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Damn! I guess DUI carries the death penalty on Lost Island...
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the commercial for the Hanso
Organization, did everyone fast-forward through it?
weberm...
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Yeah, that was funny. I suspect Jack's father is somehow involved with
them. I didn't care enough to call the numiber, however.
copeab...
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So far Jack's father is connected to (I think) three characters: he was
responsible for getting Jack and AL to Australia and talking Sawyer to
go back and kill "Sawyer." Just doing his part to spread a little evil,
I guess.
Brandon
(And this just goes to show how important a character who died before
the first episode can be ;)
weberm...
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Remember Laura Palmer? :-)
ANIM8Rfsk...
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And her twin peaks ...
Middlebrow...
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She was in my fraternity for a semester and her twins weren't all that
peaky.
JacquesZMonkey...
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They peaked my interest in "Backbeat."
ANIM8Rfsk...
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I'm more curious about what she was doing in a fraternity . . .
Middlebrow...
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Not much. She was what we called a "Little Sister" but I don't recall her
being too enthusiastic about it.
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Steven L....
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4.5
Good points: This episode gave Ana-Lucia a *much* better swan song than
they gave Shannon in "Abandoned." Ana-Lucia was finally a sympathetic
character and one who had reached some kind of moral closure. Great
shock ending; there were enough hints in the episode foreshadowing that
Ana-Lucia was going to die somehow but I never expected Libby to be
killed too. And I thought Henry was going to kill Ana-Lucia, not Michael.
Bad points: Our favorite Lostaways are back in their trance. None of
them raised an eyebrow when Michael said The Others are barefoot
primitives with only two guns. Did they forget the guns Zeke
confiscated from them in "Hunting Party," the rifle Michael had taken
with him, the fake costumes and theatrical glue Kate found in "Maternity
Leave," or the fact that Goodwin talked like an educated man in modern
dress in "The Other 48 Days"? (OK, maybe Claire didn't tell anyone
about her regaining of her memory of the DHARMA surgical team.)
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Fred Ellis...
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I give it 5 Stars. Another great and outstanding episode. What a
shocker of an ending.
Steven L....
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Harold Perrineau Jr., who plays Michael, said that when he read the
script of this episode for the first time, he was shocked too.
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Fred Ellis
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cloud dreamer...
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4.99 (Batman and Robin)
Holy sh!t Batman....what an ending! Threw me for a curve.
My jaw is still on the floor.....
bklyntv...
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yeah, I didn't see that coming it was a very good episode, but the
ending made it excellente!
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